Monday 10 September 2012

Do Schools Kill Creativity?


Now that we've heard and seen Sir Ken's argument about the education system we need to know, what do you think?


1.) What did you agree with? What did you disagree with? Why. Explain your thoughts on the ideas presented.

2.) Where do you see yourself in the education system in your future? Post-Secondary? Independent studies? travel? different type of learning?

Remember: Write in full thoughts, and respond to each other's ideas thoughtfully

49 comments:

  1. I agree with when sir ken talks about how everyone the same age is automatically learning the same thing and in the same grade. People all learn things at different speeds, so i think we should be grouped with people at the same speed as us rather then the same age. This way it would be better for everyone because 5 years of our lives are wasted in high school and if were able to excel and learn quicker then others i think we should be given that oppurtunity, In the future i see myself continuing my education at post secondary because even if i dont agree with all everything that we have to learn i do think it would be beneficial to me rather then learning on my own.

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    1. Good points Simran about excelling through designated curriculum based on ability. It does exist at Matheson. I've taught younger students in higher level English courses. And I value your honesty about continuing into post-secondary. Hopefully it will be a forum for more learning in your area of preference, and for sure continue to learn on your own. It's what we do, so keep on doing

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  2. |3!LLY & |-|@R$|-|

    we believe that Sir Ken had made some very valuable arguments about our school system. We believe that our school system does not grade students on how much effort they put into their work and how hard they try, the school board just looks at how much of the notes the student can memorize on the test. Sir Ken stated that our school is like a factory line, where kids all just come to school and follow bells, and go class to class like robots. That statement we believe is very true and is still stuck in our minds. If possible we would like to change this, but we do not have any particular methods of changing this method of school. One fact that Sir Ken stated that we find incorrect is that ADHD increases as you go east across the United States, just because you are on one certain side of a country does not mean that you are more likely to have ADHD. Billy is planning attending SFU after high school, for health sciences and purse the career of physiotherapy. Harsh wants to attend UBC for health science, and plan on going onto dental school and become a dentist, moving forward to an orthodontist.

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    1. The factory analogy, the bell reality, and potential "zombie" existence of school stays with me too guys. Is there anything that you've noticed that deviates from this? What makes the difference, even if the system as a whole encourages an automaton-like feeling?

      Your future paths seem well-planned. A clear course to steer towards. Perhaps you'll end up practicing your respective health sciences in the same professional building one day :)

      Your symbol-produced user names are a testament to your creative capacity!

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  3. Aditya and Krishneel

    The video by Sir Ken Robinson on his beliefs and perspective on the educational system was very informative and very controversial. Some things we agree with him on were how he views the school system as a model after an industrial factory. The way we depend on the bell schedules, how we are separated by ages (our manufacturing dates), and how the specific subjects have been classified into different wings. We also agree that this system in slowly destroying our ability to think divergently as we are proven that almost all of us are born with this ability. Instead of sparking creativity, we are doing the exact opposite. We also agree on the matters of ADHD and how we need more studies to be done before we are sure of any existence of such mental illness. This is important, as we need to stop medicating kids who are in no need of such treatment because this also leads to the destruction of our ability to divergently think. On the other hand, we disagree with how he presented the eastern side as almost dumber. That is stereotyping the kids and is putting everyone down, rather than just the ones being medicated. Not all the kids from the eastern side have the inability to think, some can turn out to be very prominent members of society. In terms of still bugging us, Sir Robinson presented a whole lot of problems, but not a whole lot of solutions. Does this mean there is no perfect world with a perfect system? If there is, how do we go about finding it. Beyond Matheson, Krishneel is planning to go to KPU and become a male nurse. If this does not seem to work out, he is planning to continue his studies at playboy mansion and become a male "actor". Beyond Matheson, Aditya has no set plans and is still extremely confused on what he wants to do and what he wants to become.

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    1. You're right gents Sir Ken proposes problems and doesn't seem to offer many solutions, except a call for change. I don't think there is a perfect system, only perfect intentions and the tenacity to keep trying. Do you have any suggestions? Sir Ken's full lecture with more suggestions is offered at the TED Talks website linked to the right if you wanted to see what else he has to say on this subject.

      As for future aspirations....Krishneel, I think you'll make a fine male nurse, helping people immensely. As for any other career aspirations. No comment :)

      Aditya, "no set plans and [. . .] extremely confused" is a perfect starting point. You have all the time in the world to plot, erase, switch back, and perpetually redraw your path. Starting with an awareness that you just don't know yet is the best place to begin.

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  4. 1. I agree with Sir Ken Robinson in the sense that the public education system is old and was made for people years and years ago. I also agree with a lot of people that post-secondary mainly look at academic marks. Although, post-secondary is actually looking at community hours and group/club involvements more and more these days. I disagree with Sir Ken Robinson when it comes to placing people into classes with others that have the same mental stage. I think by placing us by age, everyone has a chance to start off somewhere and if they can't keep up or if they are to ahead, they can be held back or bumped up in grades. I've seen it happen. But the reason why I disagree is because opposites attract. If you have a group of kids and each one can do the same thing and that's it, that is all there is to it. But if you have a group of kids who are all different, they can build and branch off of each other, help one another learn. That's why I think going in by age is a practical thing.

    2. I see myself going to post-secondary. I will be pursuing psychology. For as long as I can remember it has always been an option for me. If I am not creating something or helping people, I will never be happy in life. But as of right now, I have no idea about what school I want to go to or the courses I need to take.

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    1. Well made point Aleena that it is through collaborating with others, different from ourselves, that we may gain the most. There are many school systems around the world that streamline students based on preferences and certain skill-sets, and then the student's freedom and exposure to "the other" is significantly diminished.

      I've only had the pleasure of working with you for a couple of days but I can see that you will help others immensely, and I'm sure create, share and "be happy in life."

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  5. Jasleen & Arjun

    We believe after watching Sir Ken's video that he has made some really good points on how our school system works. we like the fact how he disclosed different area's of our school system and how they work. A lot of things happen in school and we do agree with the fact that there is a lot of hard work and commitment that is being asked from students. It is the same typical thing as that children should come to school, listen and work in their classes take a lot of notes and try to remember everything. we all resemble around this cycle that has set our life's around this education system. The grade system is what we strongly agree with. People with better learning qualities should be allowed to move on if possible. we are banned from trying to explore the creativity of ourselves in this system. This system also has limited our skills and abilities. It is decreasing the chances of better usage of our skills and creativity. Another thing we agree with is the medication or drug use to get children to study better. People in different countries have and are using this method to get their kids to excel better at their studies. The thing we disagree with is that ADHD in just a certain part of a country. This thing can't be just blamed on one part of the country. There may have a higher percentage in the certain region but that doesn't mean it is the only part with that disease. Beyond Matheson Jasleen is planning on going to BCIT to get his master's degree in civil engineering. Arjun has not planned anything yet.

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    1. It sounds like you see the good and the bad about our current school system. Yes, hard work and traditional learning is important, but so is creativity, divergent thinking and the freedom to try, explore, fail, get better, and grow. What do you think we need to amplify the good or the possible? What would help allow for more skill development and creativity? Is it just within the school system or is change needed elsewhere as well?

      Jasleen, it sounds like you have a clear light guiding your way. Arju, I have every faith that you'll find what feels right for you, and enjoy the journey along the way

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  6. I agree with Sir Ken's argument, because it's true that the education system was created years ago and doesn't work with the generations now days. He was right about everyone having different ways of learning and interpreting things. It's true that the education system only looks at marks not how certain students learn. But what I don't agree with is Sir Ken's argument on how we shouldn't be grouped by our age. Grouping us by our age helps us start off our education and the students that are more capable of handling academics can go ahead and skip a year or graduate early, and the students who can't handle academics that well can stay in their grade or even repeat it if they have to. All this is very common in high school. I personally will be taking my PhD in Psychology either at SFU or UVIC, and then pursue a career in the field as a Youth Psychologist.

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    1. You're right to note Priya that there are various learning styles, and that the system often prioritizes only a few. We are all multi-intelligent. Should grading standards/provincials/university acceptance, etc. change? Portfolio admissions to SFU? What do you suggest as being helpful in this critical area?

      Well Dr.Jagroop I'm sure that many, many young people will find the help they need in your future counsel

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  7. 1. I agree with Sir Ken Robinson's opinions on the standardized education system. This system has taught us to believe that academics are the only thing that is important and is the key to your success in the future. Although this has worked for those who excelled in academics, it has put those who excelled in non-academic courses at a disadvantage. This system is also not beneficial to those who learn differently. Since it has taught us to learn a certain way, many students who learn through hands-on work or even through speech are unable to understand, learn, and interpret the concepts of a particular subject. For example, Ms. Bertrand mentioned a girl who had to get the government's permission in order to do her Biology 12 provincial through speaking since it was the best way she can interpret what she had learned and understood throughout the whole course. With that being said, I believe that the standardized education system needs a reform in order to keep up with the expanding diversity of students in the 21st century.

    2. Beyond Matheson, I would like to carry on with my education and go to either university or college to become a nurse or doctor. I would also like to explore and travel in between my studies.

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    1. You're right Marinela, and experts here in BC and around the world are working on this issue. How do we revolutionize a system to truly support student learning and offer every opportunity to demonstrate their learning, in their way. One issue with the different demonstration of learning, as through such adaptations as speech/scribe is funding. There is rarely enough funding and hours of support and documentation throughout high school to truly offer all varied services to every possible student. But do you think there are any outside forces that affect perceptions of "the right way" to demonstrate learning/ability?

      I think you'd make a marvelous nurse or doctor, and I'm sure that your passport/life-bank will fill up in no time

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  8. I agree with Sir Ken when he says children who don’t pay attention in class shouldn’t automatically be labeled as having ADHD and giving them medication for it .I think that all children who are labeled as having ADHD should be tested to actually see if they actually have ADHD. I don’t think giving anyone drugs that are not necessary can be very unhealthy. In my opinion having children tested before getting labeled is the best way prevent giving out unnecessary drugs. In the future I will still be in the school sytem by continuing my education at post secondary, in order to be a child psychologist.

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    1. You're right, authentic testing is key, but do you think it's the material in schools that encourages the label? Is our attention span altering in the "most highly stimulated of ages" with smart-phones, constant information flux and audio-visual overload? Is the school system keeping up with the way we're wired now?

      Your patience and thoughtful consideration shine through. I'm sure you will help many, many children in your future

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  9. 1. I agree with Sir Ken's views on our education system. I believe that our school system is like a industrial factory. We come in, take our seats, and being with lesson plan in front of us. I feel this method of learning blocks us from our full potential. Sir Ken had made some very valid points as he talked about how the rate of ADHD has increased. I believe most students can't sit a desk for 8 hours a day. There should different ways to learn besides sitting and listening, which can get very routine like and boring. I do agree with comments from other students about how our educational system was designed years ago. As time went on the system should have changed to fit the needs of the students now.

    2. I see myself at post-secondary pursing a career in medicine. As of right now I'm unsure of what school I would like to go to and what I want to do specifically in the medical field.

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    1. I whole-heartedly agree Tanvir, "there should [be] different ways to learn besides sitting and listening." Movement and variety are key. Perhaps tomorrow we'll have to do some musical therapy in the courtyard :) Our system is outdated, birthed from a different time. We need reform (or revolution) now and tomorrow. Any suggestions? How do you want to learn in post-secondary? How do you want your children to learn?

      I look forward to coming to you for free medical advice in my old age Dr. Samra. Don't worry about which institution just yet. Perhaps try them all on

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  10. There are a few things I agree and few things that I disagree with, stated in Sir Ken's video on education system. I agree how he implements that working in groups and collaborating together in classrooms gives better results and enhances the thinking power of different people rather than working as an individual. Working on a project individually limits the person to use his own knowledge and point of view, or as Sir Ken said he is stuck in a jar with limited imagination. Whereas working on the same project as a group lets everyone express their own views and also think about other people's point of views. This helps everyone's brain to grasp more knowledge and gain more exposure on everyone's imagination and creativity. The point I disagree on with Sir Ken is that we all should be grouped not according to our age group but our mental ability. I agree with Priya that staying with our own age group people helps us to start off, and the people who do exceed always have a chance to graduate early and move ahead. This way everyone has a fair chance. But yes I do agree with Sir Ken that we need to reform our education system, instead of just focusing on academics and good grades we should opt for more hands-on learning and creativity. In the future I plan on doing Bachelors in Health Sciences,and then maybe go onto becoming a family physician. But I am not completely sure about which university or college I want to go to.

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    1. The jar analogy was insightful. Collaboration opens up the mind beyond ourselves, beyond our life-experiences and "knowledge." I hope this blog is a little sliver of collaboration for us to start with. The necessity of difference in points of view and the necessity of difference in learning styles is well-noted Mallika.
      Hands-on is a must. Any suggestions of how to do this for our class?

      Your future in the Health Sciences and as a family physician sound like a good future to plan for.

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    2. Besides, as a med student you'll definitely get hands-on learning

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  11. After hearing about Sir Ken’s personal outlook on the present day education system it is clear to see his “views” as reasonable concerns. I for one agree with the majority of his ideas but have doubts with the others. For starters, Sir Ken points out from that from a young age we are taught to believe acquiring a degree will successfully land you a well-paying job. With this seeming to be our only option, we naturally overlook all the possibilities outside of the standardized schooling system. Secondly, it is evident to see the public education system focuses on one method of learning. I agree with Sir Ken’s opinion about diagnosing children with ADHD without fully understanding their inability to pay attention or learn a certain subject. Personally, rather than saying we fail to notice reasons behind struggling students, I feel we choose to ignore their issues in order to make the lives of the school authorities easier. Finally, Sir Ken points out all the comparisons a school has with a factory. Realizing that the two are far more similar than they appear to be, children can start to feel like workers instead of students. However, with all this being said I do not agree to group children based on their academic intellectual ability from an early age. We should all be given the freedom of our children without being rushed through school. With all the questionable problems that seem existent the time has come to help adapt the standardized schooling system to better fit the individual needs of a child.
    Knowing that I would still like to be a part of the education system after graduating, I hope to spend my first year of college or university deciding what to become.

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    1. You make many superb points Aman. It's true with the factory-like structure it can feel more like "workers than students." But I want to pose back to you, shouldn't learning be work? It is frightening that the promise of an earlier age, in which a degree equaled a career is more often than not a thing of the past. So what gets you a career now? Are degrees still valued? What else is valued?

      You are absolutely correct. We need to fit the system to the learners in a more individualized way. I always found that University fit me better as an individual (I could take night courses or classes in any whim I felt like). I hope that you will find it to your liking as well, and not knowing what you want to become is A-Okay.

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  12. 1) I agree with a lot of Sir Ken's ideas and viewpoints on the education system. Those people who can memorize a text book, then ace a test are considered to be smart. Even though no one remembers anything they learn- unless they have an interest in it. His point about the education system ruining our ability think more creatively is true. As we get older we our forced to think a certain way. Most of the work in our courses usually has only one right answer.We force ourselves to think the way our teachers would want us to think. I disagree with the part where he says, we should not be grouped according to age. I can't possibly think of any other way that would not discourage students.

    2. In the future I see myself attending post-secondary. I would go into health sciences...I think. I actually have no idea as to what school I want to go to, or what I want to study.

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    1. Kiren, you make a lot of valuable points. In all honesty I do this activity, but in my heart of hearts it's hard for me because I am a teacher working within this system and yet I believe in education. You're right, those who learn the "game" and to speak to the different teachers in their language so-to-speak will probably be more recognized for their learning. I hope English 12 and myself does not snuff out your creativity, but perhaps help to fan the flame. I'm sure that studying health sciences in your future will help not only your creativity and divergent thinking, but your sense of accomplishment and fulfillment.

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  13. I feel Sir Ken has made many valid points about our education system. One which stood out to me was his issue with ADHD. When we are not capable of paying attention we are considered to have an attention disorder. Except many times that's not what has actually happened, since most of us are different and learn in various ways. Information just sets in our heads at distinct speeds, and different methods of learning are more affective on certain people. Like Sir Ken said many people are given drugs which shut our senses off, putting us to sleep, instead of this we should be woken up to what we have inside of us, our strengths. I think we should be given more freedom to what we study, because it would create a bigger interest in learning. I disagree with Sir Ken as well; I feel we should be attending school in our age groups because it makes everything much more organised and easier. Like many people have already said if one is weaker or stronger they can either move up a grade or redo it. Also they can get some extra help, because we all have different strengths and weaknesses. Everyone should be given the opportunity to find their strengths and by being grouped in ages, I feel we are given the chance to explore this.

    In the future I will be attending post-secondary school, I do not know where yet. Also I am still debating on following in the career path of a nurse or doctor.

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    1. Amen Tina: "everyone should be given the opportunity to find their strengths." You are now in your senior year of high school, so do you think you've had that opportunity here at Matheson? It seems that the way we group students has caused a lot of consideration for you and the class. You all make excellent points for and against. Do you have any other areas that you think deserve consideration for reform? Mode of grades? More electives from grade 8 on, rather than the majority of flexibility in grade 12?

      Sounds like you have a starting point for your learning outside of Matheson's hallowed halls. Nurse or doctor, you'll do great whatever you decide.

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  14. 1.) Sir Ken's opinion on how the route to a post secondary education marginalizes what we find important about ourselves is what I find to be very true. I love the arts, but it's impossible for me to pursue in the course offered at school when I know that a University would more consider a high mark in sciences or English rather than Art. Therefore, I have to fill up my semesters with such courses leaving no room for what I really do have a passion for. I also agree with his point that people are degrading themselves thinking that since they aren't the academic sort of person, they are not as smart as someone who is. It's placing a certain standard on what it means to be smart, when in fact there is many different kinds of genius in this world. Furthermore I COMPLETELY agree with what Kiren D. said about school killing creativity and couldn't put it any other way. Back when we were kids in kindergarten, we could find numerous different ways to entertain ourselves with one toy. If we looked at the same toy now, our mind wouldn't find it nearly as entertaining and looking at a different object, we probably wouldn't be able to come up with as many ways as we did back then. I disagree with the fact that this video makes many people think in order for kids to really excel in school, we would need reform. The reality is that the current nature of education disallows certain children to flourish, but many of them may have not flourished if the education system was changed. All in all, I feel this video kind of allows people to blame their lack of learning on the system itself. I sure did when I first watched this video, but upon watching it a second time, it made me think of the fact that I don't really try that hard. If I studied more than I do now, it would take up more of my time, but I would most likely have a better understanding and maybe things would even stick in my brain for a longer period of time. Maybe it's because we don't use what we learn from school immediately after we learn them and therefore, allow ourselves to forget what we've learned.
    2.) In the future, I do plan on attending a post-secondary institution but as of now I have no clue where, or what I will be even studying.

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    1. Wow Gurminder, you have raised many honest and critical points. True, there is a pressure that exists to "ace" all possible sciences, etc. even if your passion and skill is drawn to drama or art (or metal work, etc.). In all honesty, outside of school I find that this stigma of intelligence only associated with academics begins to diminish. I have a few friends who are teachers or pursued their Masters, etc. but the majority of the people in my life are recognizably brilliant at public speaking, building, creating, welding, etc., etc. and I a "books-smart" lady is recognized as lacking in many, many ways, but a great source for poetry and editing:)

      Your point about reform not being the "catch-all" solution is astute and insightful. We own our creativity. We own our learning. The system can always be better, but so can we.

      Lady, where ever you land (post-secondary and beyond) I am sure that you will find the fit that works for you. Keep up your tenacious critical view and you'll gain what you seek. Having no clue as of right now is the authentically best place to be.

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  15. The subject of education is contrivestial no matter what. Which is why the government has kept the education the same for a few decades it is still the same math and sciences are held higher than other subjects such as drama or art. Sir Kens argument about more and more children being diagnosed with learning disabilities seems extremely accurate. Physicians and specialists are quickly prescribing medication to what they think will help the child learn but in reality it will just hinder there learning more. After graduating I see myself going to school to become an LPN and accomplishing one of my goals.Despite peoples different learning types we have allowed the government to teach us only one way for 13+ years and which I find the reason for a lack of excitement in the school system

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    1. Well said Shelly; "despite people's different learning styles, we have allowed the government to teach us only one way for 13+ years." It sounds like a serious offence; one worth remedying. What do you suggest?

      You're goals outside of high school are admirable and your vision is clear. Go get 'em!

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  16. 1. I agree with Sir Ken Robinson when he mentions that in the public school system, we are taught that there is only right answer. This has been implemented in our brains starting at an early age. It is part of the reason why our creativity and divergent thinking weakens with age. I agree that we should be waking up to what is inside of us, but I don't think that it should be put to sleep in the first place. In my opinion, we should be working on expanding the skills we already have and developing the skills that we need in order to grow mentally/physically. Sir Ken Robinson acknowledged that everyone has a different learning style. Educators are always saying that it's important to figure out what learning style best suits you, but then they teach in a way that only benefits one kind of learning style. This causes many disadvantages to people who learn differently, because they lose knowledge that they could understand if taught to them in their unique style of learning and they are then labelled as unintelligent. I agree that we need to revolutionize the public school system in order to benefit everyone and all our skills.

    2. I would like to attend post-secondary. I have absolutely no idea as to which path I want to take, but I would prefer to pursue a career which involves helping others.

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    1. Clearly we need to address reaching students and offering opportunities to all learning styles. Do you think there are some subjects where this is a particular challenge? You speak of building on skills that people already have. I agree. What from your last five years of high school do you think has been superfluous/unnecessary?

      I appreciate your thoughtful and articulate ideas and laud your future goals of working in a way that helps people.

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  17. I agree with what Sir Ken has to say about the education system and I don't disagree with anything he says. Firstly, he says how the education system only undergoes one method and how all students are expected to go through this method. I believe all students have the right to learn the way they want and how they feel comfortable learning. Secondly, he also mentions about how students are put in classes by their age group. Students should be put in classes based on their strengths and weaknesses, which would be easier for students and teachers because their around there own capability. Lastly, since there is more awareness on how this education works, I believe that we all can make a difference and change it.

    In the future I most likely will be attending post-secondary, somewhere in B.C. I haven't decided exactly what i want to do but most likely something in dermatology.

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    1. Absolutely, to make education valuable and possible for all we need to look to more personal and individualized education. Interesting ideas regarding classifying students. Do you have a problem with subject areas being divided? Should they be more blended?

      Sukhman the problems can seem too immense at times, so I especially appreciate your hopeful conclusion: "since there is more awareness on how this education works, I believe that we all can make a difference and change it."

      Dermatology, interesting! It's a field I know nothing about, but I'm so glad to hear that you see your place in this field in the future. It can save lives

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    1. Wow Lynard, you are the dark horse! You share some very real and hard opinions that are necessary for all of us to see. True, revolutionizing the education system cannot be accomplished without serious disruption to society, and the economy. It's a symbiotic relationship and they are all intrinsically intertwined. Nonetheless, if an individual has interest in the sciences they should pursue it, but if their heart is in another field (arts, mechanics, health and fitness) then I truly believe they should pursue that unabashedly. Also, as Sir Ken states, a degree is not necessarily a guarantee of a job in our current economy. As such, perhaps it's something more, innovation and divergent ability in whatever the field may be? Who will be the next visionary? What do you think it takes in today's job economy?

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  19. I agree with most of what Sir Ken has to say about our school system. We all are grouped according to our age, when in reality our age does not showcase what our real abilities are. Some students may learn at a slower pace, or excel way ahead others and I believe we should be categorized in a format where we work with individuals who have the same standards and working habits as us. Also the idea of there only being a right and wrong answer is not correct and the fact that school kills our creativity is in a way true. When we are forced to learn from a text book or do math equations there is only one answer and that is what we are taught. But, when we are given the chance to express ourselves through art or music our imaginations run free and and we can be as creative as we want. Like Ken said some students are given drugs that shut off senses to be creatively involved, but will help focus on important classwork; does not necessarily mean it will work. Students will be active and pay attention when they are learning things that interest them and will stimulate their brains through classwork. Overall I believe everyone should have their own input on what classes they want to take and not be forced to take academics because the government and post secondary schools require us to do so.

    After high school I defiantly want to go to post secondary school most likely university. As of what my career choice is, I've always wanted to be a doctor, but now that I have to make the final decision I am very double minded about it.

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    1. Very true Swati, it's not medication that needs to be issued, but relevant, interesting classwork that engages student's minds. This is a much more challenging task than you may imagine (trust me); nonetheless, it is a challenge worth every ounce of trial and error. I appreciate that the issue of student choice and freedom plays a part in their interest level, and therefore growth and creativity. Yet I am also aware that your dear friend Gurminder made an excellent point earlier that it's also the individual's investment, and sometimes students take what's easy because creativity is hard work. What do you think?

      Post Secondary is changing, hopefully for the better. They no longer require provincial exam marks here at our major universities. Hopefully that will allow students the freedom to take and truly work hard for their learning and the courses that they honestly value.

      I love that you are "double-minded." Are you a Gemini :)? It is good to see multiple perspectives and feel your way through them. See what truly feels right, perhaps as Frost says, "the path less chosen." Whatever you decide I'm sure it will be right for you, and that "will make all the difference."

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  20. I would have to agree with sir ken and a lot of the comments that have been posted, he states that 98% of very young students are geniuses and as they grow older they lose that sense because in my opinion we are already being judged not on creativity but how smart a person is, putting math and sciences in higher standards, telling children that if they want to make a lot of money they all need to be smart and become a doctor. Adults, media, family, society and even the economy are all pressuring students to do things some just are not capable of doing and thats not a students fault a person learns at their own pace, people have dislikes and likes, thats perfectly fine. Schools do offer opportunities to take creative classes but they are not accounted for being academic courses and some should be. I know of a school that does do separate courses, I cannot remember them exactly but I know for a fact they have math and science as one and one of the others is creative subjects but still you are being judged for which type of courses you chose, when my cousin explained how they do there courses he said exactly if your taking math and sciences they are for the smarter people and the other courses are for people with B's and C's. This is just my opinion. For the future I plan on attending post secondary for nursing and maybe furthering my studies and learning about ultrasounds and x-rays

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    1. Keren, it's interesting that you note the perceptions of media as well as a pressurizing force. Most people from class have posted comments expressing the pressure of many outside forces like post-secondary, etc. over-valuing of sciences and under-valuing of arts. Do you think that your own perceptions, habits and your own peers' perceptions and decisions add to the stigma (like what your cousin says his classmates assume about those not in the "science strain")? Post-secondary can be a huge pressure, but to you and all of the class know this, there are excellent renowned post-secondary institutions in all possible faculties, in all possible types of learnings/passions, such as Emily Carr or Kwantlen Polytechnic University.

      I appreciated your local and current example to support your ideas. It was a thoughtful contribution. I also love the ideas you have considered for your future. Whatever you choose it'll be great as long as the choice is your own

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  21. 1) Sir Ken had many well structured arguments. One that caught my attention was the topic of this generation. He pointed out that this generations views education as boring and dull. This generation has many other entertainment sources (i.e. TV’s phones, social networks and etc.) focused around themselves, that when education and its methods are compared to it, students find it unappealing. I would strongly have to agree with Sir Ken’s points. Perhaps many of us aren’t achieving our potential goals because we don’t pay attention in classes due to boredom and due to not putting in much effort, because it isn’t as enjoyable as our other options.


    2) After this year is completed I hope to see myself relaxing for a bit. Just taking a break of school and perhaps traveling for a bit. But, after that I assume to see myself in post secondary school. I’m not well aware of what I’d like my profession to be, so I don’t exactly know what courses I’d be taking. But I do see myself in the law field. So in conclusion, for now I can say I am considering to take law school.

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    1. Eesha you make an excellent point, how can school compete with all the options available to students in various medias and entertainment. Seriously, do you have any suggestions? I hope that your senior year offers you and your peers more flexibility and freedom to take courses where you feel interested in and curiosity for. Intrinsic motivation is an incredibly important factor in learning and development in life.

      Yes, take a break! It's never really a break. I'm sure you'll still laugh, live and learn. It'll just be outside of a formal institution. I'm sure that you'll learn just as much as in a classroom nonetheless. You are an excellent critical thinker, you are a strong speaker, advocate and leader and I think the legal system won't know what hit them if you decide to pursue a career in the legal field.

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  22. Based on Sir Ken Robinson's video, I have arrived at some conclusions. At the same time a few questions and cliff-hangers have risen.
    First off, I agree that our current education method may be outdated. I believe we have settled in with the system we know, instead of considering any radical changes that could potentially bring improvement. I was intrigued by Sir Robinson's statement, "Education is modeled on the interests and image of industrialization." It supports the possibility that our system is outdated. Another statement that I believe most people would agree with is that "Our children are living in the most intensely stimulating period in the history of the earth." Soon after, he made a point about the arts in particular providing us with aesthetic experiences, when all our senses are at their peak. I'd like to distinguish the difference between the two situations. Thirdly I strongly agree that, unfortunately, creativity and the ability to think divergently diminishes as childrens' educations progress. In an ideal situation, the two would work together to develop well-rounded young adults.
    As for disagreements and questions, a few came to mind while watching. To begin, in regards to the conflict over whether age is the most accurate judgement of ability, I am unsure how specifically each child should be catered to. There must be many possibilities available. However I don't consider a simple aptitude test to be sufficient. I believe categorizations would be best made with collaboration between the students' interests and abilities, and thereafter their education can be built upon. There is difficulty and controversy with finding a balance between the categorization of students, and their opportunities for experimentation. A solution will not necessarily be easy to achieve, but when it happens, it will be well worth the effort.
    One thing that nagged at me was his closing statement, "The habits of our institutions and the habitats they occupy." I wish he had elaborated more on what he meant. However, it successfully left me very intrigued.
    As for my future, I plan to take a year off to work and backpack through Europe. I then plan to attend university. I would love to study abroad. If certain citizenship technicalities work out, I may have an opportunity to study in Germany. If not, I'd love to do even just a semester abroad. I have not yet set my career choice in stone, but I have done my best to narrow it down, and I've considered going into law or accounting. I'm a passionate shutterbug and would also love to do photography as a side job one day.

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    1. Wow Haley I appreciate your thoughtful sharing. It's bursting with insightful considerations and critical questions (which are much more valuable than assuming we have "the answer"). Sir Ken's comment about the aesthetic, sense-waking experience produced by the arts reminds me of a scene in Dead Poets Society. Mr. Keating ("Oh Captain my Captain!") proclaims that law, science, business are all noble pursuits, but it is poetry (the arts) that show us our humanity. Now whether these get trumped by other faculties seems to be somewhat apparent as "reality" and the necessity of making a living etch their way into our mindset. I mean really, can many people make a living as a poet? For the most part, unfortunately no, but some do, and many continue their passion for the arts and other fields in all sorts of capacities. One of my dear friends works for tech support but he also plays in two bands and continues to do photography and paint on the side. The important thing is to fight for our freedom to be divergent, to be creative in whatever capacity or field we so choose.

      Your note about the "habits" and "habitats" that create and re-create this system are challenging because it is big, huge. I think it involves so many habitats and habits, such as parental expectations, social stigma, preference in course time/blocks each year to sciences even if they're running under capacity but the closing of arts courses if they're not filled to max capacity, the high priority of textbook knowledge and acing standardized tests, etc. etc. What habitats or habits have you noticed?

      I appreciate your optimism and devoted consideration to this topic. I think your ventures into post-secondary, studying abroad and just figuring it all out will ultimately come together for you beautifully. "Shutterbug," I love it!

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  23. I loved Mr. Ken’s point about group studies. “Collaboration is the stuff of growth”. Students think more creatively in groups than they do individually. Another thing Sir Ken Robinson mentioned was “kids are besieged with information from all around them and then they are penalized for getting distracted.” I am sure everyone can agree with me on this one because there are very few people who would rather sit in class for 8 hours and listen than watch T.V. or playing video games. However, standardized education has been the norm for a very long time and it has worked for most of us and still proves to be a strong system. A major concern of today’s generation is that art courses value less than science ones. Well there is obviously a reason for that. I don’t think this world needs more artists than doctors or nurses. We need people to run this world not sit around all day and upload YouTube videos. I cannot see a better education system than ours in existence. It’s ironic that people from first world countries like us take everything for granted when others strive for a life like ours. I also believe that we can’t move forward from here on, we can only go back in time.
    Like 85% of the class I am interested in sciences as well. However, I have no idea whatsoever about specific courses I want to continue in post-secondary.

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    1. Risham you raise many passionate points. I know that from Sir Ken and the posts shared so far it seems very critical of our current education system. You're right that we don't always see what we have. There are millions of people from around the world that would love the opportunity to learn in our school system. But for us, I think that comes with a certain level of responsibility. As individuals and as a collective we need to ensure that we utilize and truly earn these opportunities. If our potential for learning is so high we need to honour all forms of learning and authentically offer support of all unique paths for learning. Absolutely, forward is where we need to cast our sights, rather than back. We need to see where our world is and where it is going, and ensure that our education system keeps pace.

      Wherever you choose to go and whatever courses you select I'm sure that you'll love it and learn a lot and contribute a lot. University is a spectacular forum for experimenting with ideas, collaborating with so many amazing people and flexing your own perspective and ideas. Truly an opportunity to grow the self, which I'm sure you'll enjoy.

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  24. I do agree with the majority of points that Sir Ken has made. He stated that going to College/University does not fully guarantee a better career path than someone who has not gone through any post-secondary schooling. It really all depends on the person at hand, some people may excel more so in the trades departments, which wouldn't always require any University or College education. Another point he made that really stood out to me was he comments on Arts, I feel as if many people overlook arts and deem it as being inferior to say, science and math studies. Yet, to people like myself who are definitely much more passionate about fine arts, we can fully understand just why the arts are just as important to more academic studies. Some need to realize that although there is a great need for Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, etc. there is also a need for people who choose to be more artsy.

    When I graduate this year, I really want to do something with music. I've been thinking about taking a year off of school to work and get some money saved up to pay for a music college, or to take at least some music program. As a backup plan, I am also interested in possibly going to cosmetology school and getting my Make-Up and Hairdressing licenses.

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    1. Very true Janelle, our world needs it all: doctors, lawyers, musicians, teachers, cosmetologists, welders, accountants, etc. etc. There is a place and value to it all. Our school system and society may unintentionally communicate more value for one area over another, but it comes down to the individual deciding the value they place on their area of passion and carve out their own future. Hopefully schools don't snuff out the passion and creativity individuals feel for their area of preference, whatever it may be.

      Very interesting possibilities rumbling around your noggin. I'm sure that you'll make great music and great art/beauty. Take your time, figure out what works for you. Earn some money, play with your options, try on a course and see what truly feels right. I'm sure it'll come together brilliantly

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