Now that we've heard and seen Sir Ken's argument about the education system we need to know, what do you think?
1.) What did you agree with? What did you disagree with? Why? Explain your thoughts on the ideas presented. Be specific.
2.) Where do you see yourself in the education system in your future? Post-Secondary? Independent studies? travel? different type of learning?
1) I agree with Sir Ken that schools are run as factories with ringing bells, students categorized by age and buildings sectioned off according to the different subjects. The public school system was made during the industrial era over a hundred years ago and has remained the same to this day. I disagree with Sir Ken that most great things happen when you're working in groups. Collaboration helps you grow but it depends on who you work with and sometimes you may have conflicting ideas. Group work requires a lot of compromise and sometimes having to cut out brilliant ideas for the sake of others. As Sir Ken said, people learn differently and some learn best when they work alone.
ReplyDelete2) In the future, I see myself in post-secondary pursuing my education. I hope to study the sciences. I also plan on taking time off to travel around the world and gain interesting experiences through that. Travelling can be an outlet to learn more about the world you live in and will allow me to immerse myself in different cultures.
-Puneet Pannu
1) I agree with the money part that speaker has said, because in a way, school is really all about money. Teachers get paid, we pay our taxes that go to schools. I also do agree that schools are killing creativity, as schools are really empathizing on numbers and not creativity. Numbers are really what defines what kind of school you will go to in post-secondary. Instead of being taught to develop our creative skills, we were taught numbers are formulas.
Delete2) I see myself going into post secondary.
Puneet, good point about everyone being different and the challenges of group work. I am very social and so often learn best through collaborative experiences, but personally when there's evaluation involved I prefer individual creations. And yes, I think travel should be mandatory for "Life 101" so to speak; so much to learn, so much to take in.
DeleteJason, I think you're accurate in your assessment of the role numbers have in our current system. It's easier to measure and mark simple, direct answers. It's much more difficult to qualify abstract skills and aptitudes such as creativity. Do you have any suggestions about how to alter the system and the numbers game?
1) I agreed with the fact that the education system was built for a completely different generation. I also feel that after the incredibly expensive education one is not granted a successful career. Another thing that i didn't agree with is that Sir Ken referred to the education system as a business. i didn't agree with the fact that Sir Ken said " better idea's are created in group work". I would disagree because I feel that it depends on the person.
ReplyDelete2) After getting a high school education I plan on pursuing on getting a Post-Secondary education. I would like to major in criminology. After doing so i plan on traveling to many different places for example i have always wanted to go to Dubai and Amsterdam.
It is a bit nerve-wracking to think that after so much investment of oneself that a degree is no guarantee of a career, but this is our world. I heard that we are now training students for jobs that haven't even been invented yet. So it seems the skills that truly matter are those that cross-boundaries and are transferable. For example, flexible thinking, openness, critical thinking, creativity, self-reliance, collaboration, communication and many more.
DeleteYou mentioned that you don't feel education system is a business. Can you elaborate? What do you mean?
Dubai sounds like the perfect slice of heaven. I've been to Amsterdam. It is breath-taking, and a peaceful, slower pace that I think we miss out on here in North America as opposed to Europe. Siesta anyone?
1)I do agree with Sir Ken when he talks about school being similar to a factory type environment , with same age groups , classes being split into different departments and ringing bells. We are in most cases taught from one perspective. Which has been the same since the industrial era., we need a new education system for a new generation. I also agree when Sir Ken says we should get over that fact of academic and non-academic classes because everyone has different things their good at, so we shouldn't tell people who are into non-academic courses that what their doing is less important or easier then academic courses.
ReplyDelete2) For the future I don't know what career path I want to follow so I am going to take general studies in post secondary until I come across a career I want to go into. I would also like to travel in different places throughout the world and learn different things wherever I go.
The industrial blue-print of our education system has many inherent flaws. We need not just an evolution, but a revolution. Do you have any suggestions? What would you change and why?
DeleteSometimes I think that earlier in school we communicate, directly and indirectly, a valuing of all skills and interests. As we approach graduation I think there is a deep societal pressure to choose a career path "that's valuable." This is tragic because there is so much strength and skill in every area, and what a person chooses for their future should be based on their fulfillment through it.
1) I agree with Sir Ken that students from this era are distracted by television, computer, and phones. They aren't interested in school anymore because a degree can't gurantee a job. I also agree with him that now a days students are categorized by age. The one thing I disagree with Sir Ken is students perform better if they're working in groups. It helps you somewhat but most of time you get distracted with the people your around and stay off task. But sometimes you can share your thoughts with each other and get a better understanding of the topic, but it usually depends on who your working with.
ReplyDelete2) In the future I'm planning on going to SFU or Kwantlen and get my BBA. I want to do something in business and want to work in a bank or a business firm.
Our media saturated landscape definitely plays a large role in the functioning of our lives, our brains, and yes our education system. Attention-span is down, but I also feel it's possible to engage students in learning without anesthetizing them. Do you have any suggestions?
DeleteWhat appeals to you about your Bachelors of Business?
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Delete1-I agree with sir ken that our current school system is made for a different time era. This system was made over hundreds of years ago and still hasn’t changed. Another thing I agree with is that our school system is similar to a factory type environment, with same age groups, classes being split into different departments and ringing bells.
ReplyDelete2-Where I see myself in the future is in university, studying criminology to become a police officer
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The factory model can be seen. Do you think we should do away with bells? How would you group students other than age-group?
DeleteI studied Criminology and Law for a few years. It is fascinating and vital! If you're interested in policing check out the Surrey Crime Prevention Society. It is a volunteer force for crime prevention in our neighbourhoods. Also, talk to Ms. Wilson in the Career Centre. She can give you lots of helpful information about opportunities for policing.
1) I agree with Sir Ken when he talked about each grade having students all near the same age, making me question why that must be. I hadn't realized that until he brought it up in the video and I still wonder why our education system runs like that. I also agree with him when he compares the education system to a factory. A school indeed runs slightly like a factory, like block orders, start and end of school, having lunch at the same time and when everything happens in a order or routine, you can relate it to a manufacturer belt within the factory. On the other hand, I disagree on the idea that multiple minds need to be put together in order to create big thing. This isn't always true as there are many famous people who have made it big by working on their own. It's just the way each individual learns that makes them special and have their brain work and produce material.
ReplyDelete2) In the future, I see myself attending post-secondary and working to get my Bachelors of Science in Nursing and then furthermore specializing in neonatal or pediatrics. I also see myself traveling to some dream destinations in my free time.
You're right Loveleen, the individual is a truly remarkable creature, capable of incredible feats. Although, do you think that collaboration helps to extend learning?
DeleteWow, prenatal or pediatric nurse! Although, ha, free time. It may be hard to come by. Keep your eye on the prize(s) and I'm sure you'll coordinate time for them all.
1) I agree with Sir Ken's argument because it is an education system designed for a different era. It is very hard for students to sit down in class and try to pay attention to what is on the board when they are continuously being bombarded with texts from friends on their phones. Its to hard for them to concentrate with all these fun new technologies being exposed to them. If we can update our cell phones and cars so often, then why shouldn't we update our education system that has been the same for the past 100 years.
ReplyDelete2) After high school I see myself going into Business at Kwantlen. If I don't like that field then, I will pursue a career in law enforcement.
Your analogy between our ease of updates to our phones and cars compared to the stagnant structure of our education is insightful. It really drives the point home. Do you have any suggestions as to what updates you think would help?
DeleteIt sounds like you have ideas for your future, and a wonderful openness about it as well. Bravo! I'm sure it'll all fall into place just as it should, with the right journeys en route.
1)I agree with what Sir Ken mentioned about the issue of ADHD and using Ritalin or similar drugs as a solution to get people who are diagnosed with ADHD to focus. They're no different from everyone else. People learn better by different ways than others and people are interested/better at different things than others. Perhaps classes should be organized by teaching styles for students to learn in a way that's best for them so that they can reach their fullest potential. One thing that I disagreed with, or at least, didn't understand was how he connected Arts with ADHD(?) Yes, schools tend to heavily focus on academic courses more than arts, but as you get older, you are given more of a choice. You can do what you want to do. But how successful you are in life depends on how much effort and dedication you put in, and hope that you actually get hired in whatever you want after you earn your degree. Whether it be in Arts or Sciences. It's not just the doctors who make a lot of money; famous actors and singers make millions.
ReplyDelete2)After high school I plan on going into post-secondary to hopefully get a Bachelor of Science in Pharmacy, but if that doesn't work out I'll try for accounting.
Critically insightful Roanne. You are absolutely right to question his blaming of certain subject areas for anesthetizing students. As all of you are in your senior year, you know, the choices are yours. If you want to take work experience, foods, philosophy, business education, calculus, etc. Your schedule is wide open for you to choose.
DeleteInteresting perspective that classes could be organized by learning preference and teaching style. Usually classes try to reach all learners through varied multimodal forms of learning and experiences. Also, most learners have at least one dominant learning preference, or are evenly matched in two styles. I think all of you should take a learning style test. I have, and it can reveal a lot about how you learn.
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Delete1) I agree with Sir Ken's theory, because I feel that the school system is ridiculously outdated. With such amazing technology advancements, we still learn in a school system that was created over a century ago. If more technology was implemented into our present system, students may get the feeling of actually wanting to learn new things, rather than having to learn new things. This may also take care of attendance and attention issues that schools are facing, to this day. I slightly disagree with Sir Ken's theory on group work. On the collaborative side of things, group work is fantastic on one side, but it can also hinder the group's ability to perform to their maximum potential. I say this, because everyone isn't always on the same intellectual level as each other. This is the sad truth.
ReplyDelete2) Following high school, I see myself going with the way of the wind. In other words I will go where life takes me. Travelling is always an option, because I feel that it will introduce me to new ideas and experiences that will help me inherit a new perspective on life. On the other hand, post secondary is also on the horizon. I will have to narrow down what I'm interested in, to fully commit to a field that I see myself, doing for the rest of my life.
Daniel, it's true that technology now plays a large part in every aspects of our lives, including the education system. Funding and competency in technological tools and digital learning and teaching can be potential road-blocks, but another key issue is we have to ensure that when we integrate technology it's not just a digital form of the out-dated activities. A digital worksheet searching for superficial regurgitation of a text-book is no better than the original printed on good ol' print.
DeleteI like that you see your self "going with the way of the wind." Well I hope a "tornado" comes in your future, allowing your to experience far and wide.
p.s. didn't you listen to Jimi Hendrix, nothing lasts forever ("and so castles made of sand"). I'm sure you will have numerous careers in your future. Latest statistics claim that today's graduates will have 10-14 different careers. So you have lots of time and lots of freedom.
1.I agree with the point that students are labelled as smart and non-smart according to their ability on academic courses.Everyone has their own interests some people are smart in maths and sciences some are not. We should give them the same importance. I also agree that schools are like factory, different departments, same age student batches and ringing bells.
ReplyDelete2.After high school I am going to take bachelor of science in nursing in Kwantlen Polytechnic University. I would love to travel around the world if I get a chance.
Labels are frustrating, and potentially debilitating. As a teacher, grades are my least favourite part of the job. Personally, if we could just learn and experience together, and use pure descriptive feedback, no numbers or letter grades attached, I would eagerly burn my grade book. However, these numbers should never be associated with smart or not-smart. All are intelligent and capable, all in different areas.
DeleteI too hope that you get to travel around the world, and it sounds like you have a clear vision on your next step. You'll be a kind and skilled nurse for sure.
1) Do I think schools kill creativity? Yes to some extent. The arts can be a form of creativity and expression for many people. But when arts are so devalued and not funded enough, this is a way that our education system kills creativity. Also, we are constantly told to think outside the box. But after you go through the education system, it may become really hard to do so. This is because in school you are taught discipline and following the rules/instructions is strictly enforced. It is constantly stressed that you need to find the correct answers , usually not up to interpretation. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with teaching discipline or rules but once you get into that habit of finding only one correct answer or one correct way , you tend to stop thinking outside the box or coloring outside the lines.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Robinson when he says that the hierarchy of education has arts on bottom and more specifically , drama/dance on the bottom of the arts hierarchy. The education system came about because of industrialization and It was based on the idea that you should learn things that will be helpful to the workforce. You’d be discouraged from studying art or music because you probably won’t be an artist or more importantly , there is less need/value for artists or musicians in the workforce because they won’t be contributing to growing economies or technological developments etc. Even today one may argue that students are indirectly , or directly discouraged from studying art and art related topics because there seems to be little or no value for it. Students are rather told to study sciences or math because that will be more helpful in getting a job and a well paying one and because studying science/math makes you seem like much more of an intellectual. When it comes to post secondary admission ,universities and colleges seem to value science related high school courses more. Is that because science/math courses show a higher capacity of learning compared to arts courses? People’s brains are embedded with the idea that anyone can study art or music but it takes a real genius to study something like physics or math. I don’t quite understand that way of thinking.
I agree with his views on academic inflation. Degrees aren’t worth much anymore. You can see it when you compare our parents generation to ours. Our parents were taught to believe that if you do well in high school and get in to a college or university and then make it through university , you will get a job and a good job that pays well. The problem is , our generation doesn’t believe that anymore because we all know too well that a degree like a bachelors degree which you have to go to school for , for around 4 years , is not good enough. This is because so many people are taught the value of strictly academic studies and so many people go through post secondary. Because there is now an ocean of degrees , in order to stand out , you must have a higher one such as your masters.
2) In the future, I plan on pursuing post secondary and going to university studying in the faculty of arts and social sciences. I also want to travel and go on a Me to We trip because I strongly believe that education is important , but it's also equally important to put into practice what you learn and take action. Your knowledge isn't going to be worth anything if you simply carry it around with you in your head and refuse to exercise it in real life.
- Pooja
Pooja, your comment on the label of genius being associated with physics or mathematics only, and less so with dance and other fields is equally astounding to me. Genius is genius; it exists in all modes, all dimensions.
DeleteTrue, academic inflation can be potentially fearful. Currently I'm working on my 4th degree. Although this can be potentially depressing in that certainty is null, at least our society does see education as far-reaching. Life-long learning is a good thing; although, it is not dependent upon a degree.
Your knowledge in action, whatever myriad of forms it takes sounds amazing. Way to go.
1) For the most part, I do agree with what Sir Ken had said. School shouldn’t look down on the arts, nor should school classify people by ages. Rather, they should embrace whatever it is this child is good at and let them run with it. They shouldn’t deem them stupid because their academic grades are worse than other children’s—they might have glorious grades in arts while these same “smart” children may flunk the artsy classes. Also, everybody has a different IQ, their ages have nothing to do with it. Sure, by testing children and throwing them into a grade with other children of different ages may lead to bullying, it will still help the education wise. However, I do believe in younger grades they should teach all children equally and not let they stray too far from a very set education structure. This will let them grow and truly find their beloved interests, because let’s face facts: if given a choice every child will pick drawing over math. Imagination will deplete, that’s just a fact of life. The few that hold onto it are not better, and the ones who lose it aren’t either. This would work much like natural selection and weed out the people who’ll grow up to do better things. Some will be artists, others accountants. Sir Ken made it a point that the current education system does help some people and it does; but more freedom of choice and more understanding teachers (of this subject) will really help those non-academic students along.
ReplyDelete2) I don’t know if I will be in the education system after high school, honestly. This is more or less because I am a very cheap person and post-secondary is very pricy or that the two things I take grave interest in be learned in time (though school would help pull the learning along a lot more quickly). I want to draw. I have already gotten a few commission offers (such as the mascot for a company I should be working on). I would also love to publish a book at some point in the future. I write many novel length stories in my spare time and cannot see any reason why I shouldn’t try to get at least one published. I enjoy writing stories based in the past and ones that often involve mythology, in order to write these I have to spend countless hours researching the weirdest topics. I do not know if spending a week reading about old asylums counts as an independent study, but I do plan to continue such behaviors beyond high school. In short, in the future I plan to just learn from practice of the two things I love.
-Alexis G.
The notion of "natural selection," allowing students more freedom of choice to follow paths for whatever length they choose is interesting and valid. Currently the education system offers little choice until the end, hoping students will experience a well-rounded exposure to all options and then make mature choices when they're closer to their next horizon (graduation). I agree with you that it could function better for the individual if there were more individualization in it.
DeleteYour future plans are impassioned and perfect for you. Being a writer or an artist (or both) are hard roads, but worthy of your love and devotion. Your final line says it all, "in the future I plan to just learn from practice of the two things I love." I can't think of anything better.
1. After hearing Sir Ken's theory, I strongly agree in the sense that creativty makes people feel "fully alive" by engaging all of the senses. Therefore,if we are not inspiring future generations or providing the tools necessary \to express themselves uniquely then we are left with a world full of blank pages and blank minds. Creativity allows us to enter corners of our mind we never new existed and feel things that we never dared to explore. Which is why, for being someone who greatly values expression and freedom to be creative myself, I understand the concern and need for providing an environment for students to thrive in this area. Furthermore, I believe that passion ultimately drives us all, and like Sir Ken stated, our "genius" abilities to think outside the box diminish with age, which in my opinion fades along with our passion. Ultimately, this is something that needs to change and fast.
ReplyDelete2. Ironically, I am actually considering entering the field of education myself, preferrably through dance and student education. If sucessfully persuing this, I would be experience the arts as well as the educational side of the spectrum which after this discussion, leaves me with concerns about my limitations to which I would be able to inspire both my dance and school students, due to the questionable lack of support for creativity that school systems provide.
Marina, your comment on the necessity of passion and a space for risk-taking is very interesting. The current model believes that students should have exposure to all fields for a well-rounded education, and then in senior years, students choose to specialize. How would you change this?
DeleteI can sense your trepidation regarding becoming a part of a flawed system; fear not, I'm sure you will be able to inspire, undoubtedly.
I agree with the theory that Sir Ken proposed. It's ridiculous how outdated the education system really is. C'mon 100 years? Nothing in our world has stayed the same for that long, everything has changed, we need to be taught in a our generation. Our peak of creativity was when we were just 5 and 6, kindergarten kids, we slowly grew into this brainwashing, creativity destroying monster we call education. Throughout school we are taught that there is either a wrong our a right answer, as to when we were just children we would find multiple answers to a solution. Without creativity, life and everything to do with life would be colorless and dull.
ReplyDelete2. In the future I would like to see myself working towards my red seal in culinary arts, becoming a high end chef. I would also love to travel and work on cars. That's just something I would like to do, I still think I'm too young to decide what I will be doing for the rest of my life. In all honesty the little kid in me still wants to be a firefighter.
Never lose the little kid in you Mario! We lose a lot as we get older. Do you think there are key aspects gained that can compensate for the creativity lost?
DeleteHigh end chef, vagabond, or car nut. Whatever you choose, or all of the above and more, I'm sure will keep the colour in your life
I definitely agree with Sir Ken Robinson's point on how the school system is imperceptibly destroying a child's creativity skills. There is no doubt that every single child already has a certain type of creative skills of their own interest in their early childhood. However, as that child continues to grow up and goes through the different levels of the education system, he finds that arts and other creative lesson's practice and importance decreases every other year. While in elementary school, we focus on meeting the education requirement for high school whereas, while in high school students stress out for university and colleges. Now, by the time you are in university, that particular skill of yours has totally vanished, yet the interest is still the same. Again, this is the time where university and job employers look for a major type of intelligence in a person in order to hire them which is known as Creativity.
ReplyDeleteSo, I definitely blame the school system for this but however, the part I found confusing was we are so much used to the current system that it's almost impossible to think of a new one. Also, most students categorically learn well in groups than learning by-self.
Divya, you've acknowledged numerous critical points. It's larger than just the school system, it's connected up and beyond public education to post-secondary and society.
DeleteRecently the Bloom's Taxonomy of skill-sets and thinking was revamped. Synthesis, or creation, is now the highest benchmark. I think this is an indication of our times as you said, employers (in all fields) want individuals with creative capacity. I wonder when our system will revolutionize to meet these demands?
1.) I agree in Sir Ken’s argument in where students (future generations) are being bombarded with cultural and economic education. This causes stress to future generations and prevents them from actually learning about subjects of their own interests. Although this is an advantage to the growing industry world, it is a strong disadvantage to individuals. With this in mind, this fact also leads to the rising population of ADHD influences. I agree that the only possible explanation that children are acquiring such a disorder is because they have been continually forced to learn traditional lessons that are considered inadequate. In this case, video games and leisure activities are becoming more appealing to many.
ReplyDelete2.) In the future, I’m deciding on continuing my studies in the field I believe suits my interests — Interior Design. Although the arts are usually the minority, this should not be the reason why I cannot acquire a job that has a decent pay like jobs in the medical field. Although being an interior designer has a strong connection to the economy, my heart’s interest can still be found in such a career.
Traditional lessons cannot compete with the multimodal, fast-paced, multi-tasking world our brains are being high-wired to. Nonetheless, what from traditional lessons do you feel holds value? How can these skills be transformed to new modes? Suggestions?
Delete"My heart's interest can still be found in such a career" as you say and truly it's the heart not the wallet that matters in the end. Sounds like you have bright horizons ahead
1. Is the system that we continuely tend to rely upon not as good and stable as we thought? Sir Ken's video had many great points and I would have to say that I agree with what he had to say. I agree that the arts are simply not treated as important as the sciences and maths, there for, closing doors for those with great brilliance and talent by making them feel of less value and talent. I found it very interesting when Sir Ken had showed in a study of divergent thinking,and how the older the children got, the percentage had gone down. I think that this may have a lot to do with the way that classrooms are run and conducted. As stated by Sir Ken, the education system that we currently go by, had been structured for a different time and age. I agree with the fact that there are different learners and that not everyone learns the same way, so forcing children to do so, onlyt hurts them. I had found it very interesting when Sir Ken had brought up the question of, why are the children placed into age groups, is that the most important thing there is? Age? I have to agree that avge should not be the most important thing when it comes to schooling. All in all I would have to say that Sir Ken had made many great points, beneficial to the future.
ReplyDelete2. In the future, I see myself going to Post-Secondary, I would also like to travel and explore before settling down and starting school right away.
You picked up on numerous critical points presented by Sir Ken. I appreciate that you say these could be beneficial to the future, but only if we respond with thoughtful action. Do you have any suggestions of how learners should be grouped rather than age/grade? What about implementation within classrooms, what suggestions do you have?
DeleteExploration, travel, post-secondary O-my! A lot awaits you
1. Sir Ken Robinson declares time and time again in the video the absence of adequate recognition for the arts and true “creativity” in the public school system. While this is undoubtedly important, he also claims that kids should not be penalized when not paying attention to “boring” classroom material. I strongly disagree. While we should give proper credit for the arts, doing things that we may not absolutely love to do is part of life. Children need to grasp this concept so they can become productive members of society. This is not to say that you should have a career in a field that you do not enjoy – I’m not saying that at all. However, who really enjoys doing taxes? Finances? Etc. My point is that there are always going to be things that are necessary, but also difficult and tedious. I also didn’t like that he brought into question whether or not ADHD is a legitimate disorder. While he says that he is not qualified to say whether it is or isn’t, bringing the subject into question at all suggests otherwise.
ReplyDelete2. I plan on furthering my education by going to Post-Secondary. After completing two years at Douglas College and two more at SFU, I will receive my Bachelor of Arts in Psychology. However, I may travel abroad in the time between finishing high school and journeying into a higher learning.
Your criticisms are insightful and well-founded. True, much of life is difficult and even tedious, and we are all the more stronger for persevering. However, I also agree that we need to ensure that the aesthetic is alive and well alongside the necessary.
DeleteIt sounds like you have many plans and ventures ahead. Clearly you have given your future a lot of thought and you have a firm grasp on what feels right for you. Bravo
With watching the video on Sir Ken Robinson, I agree for the most part that we do not pay as close attention to those who excel in the Arts programs, and that their creativity isn't seen as those others may be more intelligent in other studies or courses. Creativity is something we all have as a kid, and as we grow older, it seems we lose it to all the academic classes we take in school and without the oppurtunities to express ourselves, we can never really show our thoughts and feelings in our owns ways. He explains how time now is different now from the 19th century, and that things are changed now. This is something i can agree, and that possibly in our district, and others, we need to be able to be taught in ways that everyone can show off their skills and creativity, no matter the course or program, whether its academically, physically, or even in the arts, it all matters and in the end we are all capable of being creative independently.
ReplyDeletePersonalized learning and choice is definitely imperative. Students should have choice and the ability to show off their learning, their unique thoughts and development in their own way. Do you think students should be required to experiment and develop in all forms? What stipulations would you recommend, or none at all?
DeleteSir Ken`s main ideas on how the current education system is flawed and broken is a clear and decisive point based with many logical proofs. Firstly, the lack of creativity in todays world is partly to do with the education system. Over-prescription of Adderall and other psychotropic drugs to students who don`t need them, students who are just artistic and react to stimuli, are given drugs to hinder their abilities. Also the idea that the system we have in place is true to the needs of today is wrong, in the fact that we should really try to create a system where we reward higher thinking and creativity in all categories, and in all ways.
ReplyDeleteLike most people, post-secondary school in on my radar. I would most likely start of with Criminology and then continue with either political or social sciences, or Law school. Which broadens my choices with either Being a lawyer, going into politics, or even just being a social worker. With additional courses in psychology I could be a therapist.
by me, jasjot sidhu.
DeleteHi you, Jasjot.
DeleteI agree with you and Sir Ken that there is a disconnect between what the world of today requires of its citizens and what the education system currently provides en mass. Higher learning and creativity should be the ultimate goals in all areas, all fields. How would you recommend that be supported and created within a large institution or educational system?
Your myriad of future options sound very rewarding. Also, your patience and your thoughtful reflection will take you far in all of these areas.
1.For the most part of Sir Ken's video, I do agree that our school system does have a bit of quirks. Possibly what society values as a whole isn't necessarily what an individual may value on their own. The book title "All I need to Know I Learned In Kindergarten", Holds some significance to the words of Sir Ken's presentation. Now in life, certain forms of thought process have been developed through math and science. Although critical thinking skills from math and science are much appreciated in life, not all individuals are able to persevere in those ways of people who can. Like Sir Ken says that we are raising our children to fill our spots, which of course is wrong. As the generations advance, form and change, so do the minds of the children.
ReplyDelete2.In the near futre, I see myself attending post-secondary, and only a bit of traveling (: .
Very insightful Delfina. True, our children should not be raised to fill our spots, but to advance, change and create their own places, a better world. I especially appreciate your reference to "Everything I Learned I Learned in Kindergarten"
DeleteHere's the poem below
All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten
by Robert Fulghum
These are the things I learned:
Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life -
Learn some and think some
And draw and paint and sing and dance
And play and work everyday some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out into the world,
Watch out for traffic,
Hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder.
1-i agree with sir ken that our edoucation system is soo old because it was made for a different time era and that why we asuume that all kids work better when they are with kids the same kids
ReplyDelete2-i see myself as a dentist and going to university
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Interesting point Mandeep. And true, while you're studying to be a Dentist and attending various classes beyond Matheson's walls I'm sure you'll see that it's passion and devotion that unites the people in learning, not age ("manufacture date")
DeleteSchool does kill creativity and I do agree with Sir Ken Roberston for many points. The education system is based on a century old system, while there has been a big technological change in the last decade. School is like a factory where we have bells and we are educated in batches of the same age group. Schools today are basically factories that are producing students on how they want them to be and the school system today is turning students into zombies. Although the education system is full of flaws, parents do not step up either to demand change because they fail to recognize the flaws within the education system and continue to proceed with it. Some students may be well advanced in school from their peers, but they have to stick with their age group, or how Sir Ken Robertson says it, those of their manufacturing date. Some students like to work alone, but some prefer to work in a group, but we have to follow the education system for that as well. For example, I personally like working alone when it involves being graded, but I immensely enjoy working with others at all other times. In the education system, arts, music, drama, etc are all ranked at the bottom. I disagree with that since they all bring out the most creativity, you are free as a dog is when let off from their leash, to create whatever you may prefer. While in academics you must follow the criteria and be limited to what you can do to step outside of the box. If we are not guaranteed a job with a degree, why are we taught in such an education system which concentrates on academics? If we focused on other subjects, such as arts, music, photography, etc, are creative side would come out and we would be able to think innovatively which will develop our mind. Even if we were to not get a job in the future with our degree, we would be able to turn to entrepreneurship for example and use our imagination to create innovations.
ReplyDeleteI plan to get my bachelor’s degree in finance during post-secondary. Although I want to go to the States (depending on how hard I work during 2013), I plan to go Sauder School of UBC or Queens School of Business in Kingston, Ontario. I might work for a couple of years and then get my MBA (or not get an MBA at all, all depends). I want to earn a good amount of money, therefore I can use it to shift into the music industry and create my own label and sign artists that are promising. Another option that I thought of was getting a dual degree in Business/Engineering (don’t know if possible, but I have heard about a dual degree). I read that business companies in the US hire more people with engineering degrees because they have business and engineering experience and they are more creative(need to research this more). I also want to be an entrepreneur (really prefer this path), therefore I am my own boss, greater chances of being really successful if you have a great idea. Since, I always wanted to play in the NHL when I was younger, but realized it was not my thing, I still want to be part the NHL somehow when I grow up. Therefore, I decided I will buy the Vancouver Canucks from Francessco Aquillini one day or whoever owns it then.
These are all thoughts and ideas for what I want to accomplish and do in life, all depends. I will have to wait and see where life takes me. (Actually I wont wait and see where life takes because I will have missed hundreds of opportunities by then, so I need to start working towards something now.
Avery thorough and thoughtful response Gurvir. I appreciate your acknowledgment of the broader social investment or apathy towards the current system and its flaws. It's not only parents that can examine and question the system as it is, youth can too. Talk to your parents about your concerns. Talk to everyone about your concerns. I especially appreciate your advocacy for creative licence and a prioritizing of innovative thinking, not just curriculum coverage.
DeleteYou have a crystal clear vision for your future, especially the purchasing of the Canucks. I believe you'll do it too!
After watching the video by Sir Ken Robinson, I do agree that the school education system is killing creativity. The expect us to look at a book and understand, which isn't that great, but it does help in reading. Everyone has a different learning method, and they need a variation of how to teach children who can learn more visually, auditory or tactile. Teaching us with an old, uniform type of system doesn't help much. The system is obviously flawed, and needs a new method or solution of how to teach our generation. Therefore i do agree with Robinson that the arts are victims of this. As we grow we are more educated with logical thinking in courses such as math and sciences that are orderly and accurate type of teachings, so we lose, for the most part, and we forget how to express and approach things differently and only aim for what is "right" or "perfect".
ReplyDeleteAfter high school I hope to be going into Early Childhood Education to work with our next generation, and hopefully find new methods or ways to teach them. I also would love to, and hopefully be able to tr culture avel around time to time, to experience new .
Ashna I appreciate your call for balance and variety. Logical thinking is so imperative for all of us. Actually they say that the greatest indicator of success in all and every field is the ability to read and respond to non-fiction (this develops our ability to critically think, rationalize, persuade, describe, etc.). But you are right in that logic is not all. The aesthetic, the divergent, and the personal are equally essential.
DeleteEarly Childhood Education sounds like your passion. Also, it's wonderful to hear that your heart is in working with the next generation and helping to birth new methods of educating.
I agree with sir ken on almost everything he discussed in the video. I believe he was right when he said kids get distracted fast, but that has nothing to do with their mental condition. Kids don't need to be drugged to be attentive in class in most scenarios. I
ReplyDeletealso agree with the fact that school kills creativity. The reason I say this is because we are put in an environment where we are forced to do things in a certain way, very rarely are we actually allowed to use our own creative thinking to create something different.
2. After I graduate I plan on getting my major in business at kwantlen.
True, the deadening, or medicating of our senses is not the answer. What do you recommend to help combat this problem?
DeleteKwantlen is a great local university, and with your savvy and smarts I'm sure you'll take the business world by storm
Balpreet
ReplyDeleteI also belief school kills creativity because the school expects us to learn a certain way while everyone has their own way of learning. The school only focuses only on academic classes while some people are gifted in different classes.
True instructional activities are often delivered from an auditory perspective, meaning auditory learners are having their needs met, but others are less so. What do you recommend? What types of methods for learning have you seen that worked for you and others?
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ReplyDelete1)For the most part I believe that many of his thoughts do ring my head such as people often want to preserve their cultural identity but still be part of globalisation to our education systems that are meant for another time period and to how we are separated by our age group rather then out ability in learning. As well as how sometime as student we often lose focus when something isn’t conveyed in a way where people can take interest. What I am trying to say I do agree that our education system definitely needs to change and how we are taught things need to be taken in consideration as well. Any ways back to creativity I do believe that sometime our education can kill creativity. Everyday as an high school student we learn a unit review and review and do a unit test and then move to a new subject after that. But in the end we don’t even remember what we learned sometimes. And even when a person has all this information pushed on them dose it truly mean that our creativity increases or not? For me I don’t believe that it won’t at times because we are always getting more and more information and applying it because we are constantly being told that math’s and science’s are the most important things anyone looks at. I don’t mean to say that they unimportant but they are considered by most people that’s the most important aspect in life.
2)A future question. The thing about this type of question is that sometimes some people know what they want to, while may not know a thing. I am in this group but I do want to go into post- secondary and try a general studies programs to find something I want to enjoy rather than doing a job I detest and find excruciatingly painful to do. The thing about our society is sometime we are often pressured decide right there and now what you want to do. But this doesn’t mean a thing if we finish a degree but aren’t satisfied about the career they are currently pursuing.
Hemma your observation about the information overload and constant "moving on" is interesting. There's now a concept called "infobesity," claiming that our world is so saturated with information that we are actually obese from it, unhealthily so, and as such, purge information as new info comes in. Therefore, we're never fully ingesting and retaining much of our new information. I feel very fortunate to have the ability as a teacher in the fields I focus on (English, Socials and Work Experience) to teach from a skills-based perspective. We try to develop and enhance skills and use and reuse them in varied and dynamic ways. Do you have recommendations for what could be altered so you as students are less overwhelmed with information and have more opportunities for creative growth?
ReplyDeleteThe giant question mark that is in your head regarding future careers is healthy and an opportunity. I remember when you were on work experience you tried teacher-librarianship and working with kids and books because of your love for reading. I think that General Studies at a post-secondary institution would be a perfect opportunity to try on different possibilities until you find what you truly love.
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ReplyDelete1.I agree with Sir Ken Robinson that we need to adapt the school system to the changing world and the changing minds of students. I also agree with Sir Ken Robinson that numbers are valued more in are education systems and they are the factors that consider you to be academic or not academic. While the arts are not that appreciated in are school system and are not recommended. I disagree with Sir Ken that great learning happens in groups cause for some people they work better by themselves because they don't like to be lead by somebody else and usually like full control of what there doing.
2. After graduating I plan to get my bachelor's in mechanical engineering at BCIT then my masters.
Deepu you've noticed what many have, that our education system could be revolutionized. What are your suggestions?
DeleteAlso, you mention that the arts are not recommended, by whom? Teacher, counselors, parents, peers, society? Where does this steering towards science and math and undervaluing of the arts stem from? is it direct, subversive?
Sounds like you have big plans for your future. I'm sure you'll accomplish them all with gusto.